former new york governor george pataki wrote that in the wake of sandy, more lerelectrical wires need to be located under ground. it sounds entirely reasonable and sensible and you say that's crazy. >> well, i mean i think it is reasonable in some areas and when a line goes down, it sometimes make sense to bury it. we have a lot of electricity lines in this country and putting them under ground, we're no longer looking at illions with a b in front of it, we're start torg look at trillions. these are investments that utilities need to make and are paid for by rate payers. utilities are starting to build a lot more transmission on their own and, you know, they are trying to harden their systems, but again, by smartens up, by making it so that when the wind knocks a line down, it isn't such a catastrophe, that's a lot cheapernd smarter way to start fixing our system than to try to put this entire above ground network that we have, todown, start digging brillions of hole and putting everything under ground. >> michael grunwald is the senior executive director of time. >>> with the fiscal